Differences between a ROBS and an SDIRA - does your attorney know for sure? | Frank Selden Law

Differences between a ROBS and an SDIRA - does your attorney know for sure?

One attorney cautions against creating a rollover business startup (ROBS) transaction. His reason? The Peek and Fleck v. Commissioner case points to prohibited transaction issues with rollover business startups. It might, if that was a ROBS case, but it isn’t. Peek and Fleck is a self-directed IRA case. If you are going to use either, you need to know the difference. A robot might look like a real person, but internal functions do not resemble each other. Same with SDIRAs and ROBS.

Peek v Commissioner – History

In 2001, the Peek and Fleck used their self-directed IRAs to fund the purchase of Abbott Fire & Safety, Inc. from an unrelated third party. At that time, Abbott was a successful business specializing in the sale of fire alarms, sprinklers, and other fire suppression equipment. The taxpayers acquired Abbott through a newly formed corporation – FP Company – which the taxpayers capitalized exclusively with their IRA assets. Each of the taxpayers’ IRAs transferred cash to FP Company in exchange for the company’s stock. Following the transaction, the taxpayers’ IRAs collectively owned 100 percent of FP Company. FP Company then acquired Abbott using that cash (i.e., the proceeds from the stock sale to the IRAs), additional cash from a bank loan and promissory notes.

The sellers required Peek and Fleck to guarantee the promissory note. Years later, Peek and Fleck rolled over the FP Company stock from traditional IRAs to Roth IRAs, which resulted in income to the taxpayers during those years. In 2006 they sold FP Company for a substantial profit, which the taxpayers claimed was permanently shielded from tax because their Roth IRAs owned the FP Company stock. To see the appellate case click here.

Peek v Commissioner – a ROBS arrangement?

No. It is an IRA investment, and the differences are precisely why the IRS found that Peek and Fleck committed a prohibited transaction when they guaranteed the loans and disqualified their IRAs.

ROBS transactions typically involve the following sequential steps:

  1. establish a new corporation;
  2. the corporation adopts a 401(k) plan that permits plan participants to direct the investment of their plan accounts into a selection of investments options, including employer stock;
  3. client elects to participate in the new 401(k) plan
  4. direct a rollover or trustee-to-trustee transfer of retirement funds into the newly established 401K plan;
  5. direct the 401(k) plan to purchase the corporation’s stock, and finally
  6. the company utilizes the proceeds from the sale of stock to buy an existing business or to begin a new venture.

Had Peek and Fleck used a proper ROBS setup, instead of directly investing in their corporation with their IRAs, they could have guaranteed the loans without creating a prohibited transaction.

Peek v Commissioner – the Promoter Issue

On appeal, Peek and Fleck argued that they “relied in good faith on the advice of their accountant, Mr. Blees.” The Tax Court held that the transactions at issue were prohibited and that Appellants were liable for accuracy-related penalties. The Tax Court rejected Appellants’ argument that they had reasonably relied on Mr. Blees’ advice in failing to report their gains accurately. The court made several supplemental factual findings, including that Mr. Blees was a “promoter” and not “a disinterested professional” under these circumstances.

Hiring a promoter increases your liability for accuracy-related penalties if they screw up.

If you want to invest retirement funds into a business, understand the differences. Do you need an SDIRA or a ROBS?

Self-directed IRAs have some distinct advantages over ROBS but are not the proper format for all investments. A ROBS arrangement would not have created the tax-free growth that Peek and Fleck wanted. However, their guarantee violated the IRA rules. Discuss your goals with someone who knows all of the rules for both concepts before you involve your qualified funds.

My Favorite ROBS Promoter

15 years helping people with legal issues around self-directed IRAs and rollover business startups taught me several things:

  1. Many people, including legal / tax and financial professionals, confuse the two concepts
  2. Consumers are understandably confused, not sure who to trust, and might pass on a concept that would work well for them if they could find the right resource
  3. I would not endorse any particular ROBS promoter because I wanted to remain objectively independent and because none of them created a ROBS the way I thought it should be done
  4. There is a way to create a ROBS setup that solves the top issue for both the DOL and IRS

The big-name promoters create ROBS setups in ways that meet minimal compliance standards in the most profitable way. So I started a ROBS company that does it right. Same price, same time frame, much better results for you, the business owner.

The company is 401K ROBS PROS, LLC.(4RP) Download our ebook, schedule a consult. I believe 4RP will become your favorite ROBS promoter as well!

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